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Dave
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 04:04 pm |
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Gonna be callin' him in about an hour...
But, I got a feelin' that I will...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 03:52 pm |
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| You taken your scoot back down there this week Dave?
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Dave
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 10:25 am |
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| It must've changed sometime after 1987. The only gasket I have is between the head and the lower rocker-box, center and top both mate with O-rings. And all of 'em (if I remember right) are aluminum. No chrome or any of that either.
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Redd
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 02:57 am |
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I've gone tru a few of the center spacers on my 89. The originals were cast and warped up every couple years. Mine were chrome. I heard the problem wasn't bad on the aluminum 1's. Later they made the chrome 1's outta aluminum and I've had no problem with them. What happens is that they expand when they heat up, and if you are using the rubber gaskets, the gasket sticks to the spacer, and as it expands it tears the gasket. I switched to cork gaskets, and though they are a little tuffer to install, they don't seem to have that problem. Been a few years since I had a leak now, but it used to be a yearly thing.
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weasle
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 08:37 pm |
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| one gasket between the box that sets on the head then a gasket then a spacer then a gasket then the top of the rocker box, if any of those componets is warped they will leak . most common is the spacers . they may have changed them between 87 and 94 , mine has the umbrella valves in it cause its a head breather. Last edited on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 08:49 pm by weasle |
Dave
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 08:19 pm |
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Wait a second Weasle. After thinking about that for a few minutes...
The "Spacer" in the rocker-box is sandwiched between the top and bottom rocker-box. They seal with O-rings. The only place that I had a gasket (that I remember) is between the head and the lower rocker-box...
Are we talking about the same thing?
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 07:27 pm |
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Most of what I could see, was comin' from the bolts. Didn't or couldn't see any comin' from the stack up of the boxes...
I'll mention that to 'em Weasle... Thanks
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weasle
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 07:25 pm |
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Dave wrote: weasle wrote:
dave , either he didnt get all the gaskets in your rocker box lined up , a bitch, ive done mine 3 times so far, or he didnt tighten them down enough , with the papyer gaskets thats crucial . went with metal ones on mine and aint had a problem for 2 yrs, knock on wood. ps those spacers are pot metal and sometimes warp with the heat , have him check them for flatness. Yeah Weasle, I know. The bolts in the rocker-boxes are a real SOB to get tight. I've replaced 'em a couple of time. PITA. But, with less than 100 miles on the engine, I shouldn't be leaking there... dave if those spacers are warped , they will leak in 10 miles.
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 06:48 pm |
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| Just called - No Answer - Forgot they're closed on Monday... Shit
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 06:12 pm |
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Haven't called yet. Will be calling in about 20 minutes...
Been busy this morning...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 05:58 pm |
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| What did the Indy say Dave about those leaks, ect?
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 12:35 pm |
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weasle wrote:
dave , either he didnt get all the gaskets in your rocker box lined up , a bitch, ive done mine 3 times so far, or he didnt tighten them down enough , with the papyer gaskets thats crucial . went with metal ones on mine and aint had a problem for 2 yrs, knock on wood. ps those spacers are pot metal and sometimes warp with the heat , have him check them for flatness. Yeah Weasle, I know. The bolts in the rocker-boxes are a real SOB to get tight. I've replaced 'em a couple of time. PITA. But, with less than 100 miles on the engine, I shouldn't be leaking there...
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 12:33 pm |
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Marc - I don't have a speed-control screw in my throttle. That's been gone for a long time.
I'm running a single cable and its not really that old. (I pinched it when I had the electrical issues on that Memorial Day run and hauled the bike home in the back of my truck. I replaced it then) I made sure that it was lubed up pretty good when I replaced it.
Jeff - This smoke isn't out of the pipe and it's not left over/residual oil from reassembly. That burned off before I left the shop Saturday. No smoke all the way home.
This is an actual drip from both rocker-boxes...
I'll be callin' the indy later today...
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weasle
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 12:30 pm |
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| dave , either he didnt get all the gaskets in your rocker box lined up , a bitch, ive done mine 3 times so far, or he didnt tighten them down enough , with the papyer gaskets thats crucial . went with metal ones on mine and aint had a problem for 2 yrs, knock on wood. ps those spacers are pot metal and sometimes warp with the heat , have him check them for flatness. Last edited on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 12:33 pm by weasle |
jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 12:06 pm |
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| Hey Dave, sometimes they will smoke until the rings seat! Normally, don't take long though usually just a few miles has been my past experience...... And yeah they must of forgot to tighten up the rocker box gasket nuts.
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marc
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 12:05 pm |
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Dave wrote: Both rocker-boxes are leaking pretty bad.
I know that they're a bitch to get tight when installed in the frame. Out of the frame they should be a piece of cake. I don't know what happened. Am gonna give indy a call today and get this sorted out. The rocker-box leaks is worse than the pushrod tube leak I had before...
And, the throttle is sticking. That's a major pain... Bummer...Has throttle cable been lubed recently???Do you have one of those throttle speed control screws that could have been tightened up by accident??? Frayed cable wire inside???Just a thought...
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 10:29 am |
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I probably will go with a dyno-tune. I'd love to know what this thing is makin' in the way of power and torque. One of the guys over at http://www.nightrider.com says it should be in the 65 - 70 range. I'll be happy with 60. Especially if it's a usable spot, where I need it and ride at...
But, I got a few small problems to sort out. Or the indy is anyway...
I put the OL on the back yesterday and went out ridin'. Kept it under 3000 rpm. Mostly around 2000-2500. No freeway runnin' or anything like that. Just a fairly open highway. Ran really good. But, I sat at a long stoplight and noticed oil smoke! Yeah, oil smoke.
Pissed me off immediately. But, the good news is, it ain't comin' out of the pipe. Both rocker-boxes are leaking pretty bad.
I know that they're a bitch to get tight when installed in the frame. Out of the frame they should be a piece of cake. I don't know what happened. Am gonna give indy a call today and get this sorted out. The rocker-box leaks is worse than the pushrod tube leak I had before...
And, the throttle is sticking. That's a major pain...
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marc
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 02:52 pm |
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Dave wrote: Not as concerned with the number of ponies it's makin' as I am wantin' to make sure that it's dialed in. I'll be savin' my pennies. Good thing November has 3 paydays in it! LOL...
Dave, glad to hear the good news...The Dyno is the really best place to have it dialed in and worth every $$...JMHO...Do it once and your done unless you make some other mods...Your recreating on road riding conditions...You can set AFR, timing and see your torque and HP at various points along the curve...Then you can make adjustments when you see torque dip, lean/rich AFR and/or other problems...Those small adjustments can make a substantial difference...For example on my first run I had noticeable torque dip between 2,500 and 3,500 RPM's which is where I spend most of my time...At 3,000 RPM's torque was 69.53 and hp was 40.39...The max power was 68.03 and the max torque was 81.92...After a tweek here and there torque went up to 89.09 and hp went up to 52.24 at 3000 RPM's...The max power was 75.37 and max torque was 89.01...Horse power is nice but torque is king...
As you can tell I am a believer in Dyno tuning...
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Dave
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 01:37 pm |
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weasle wrote:
dave tell momma ya want a dyno run on that new motor for christmass, LOL. if it was me , and i redone mine , it would drive me nuts not knowin how many poney,s i had to the back wheel. For Christmas? A dyno run? LOL...
I got my engine rebuilt. I think I'd be pushin' my luck askin' for anything else...
Not as concerned with the number of ponies it's makin' as I am wantin' to make sure that it's dialed in. I'll be savin' my pennies. Good thing November has 3 paydays in it! LOL...
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weasle
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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 01:10 pm |
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| dave tell momma ya want a dyno run on that new motor for christmass, LOL. if it was me , and i redone mine , it would drive me nuts not knowin how many poney,s i had to the back wheel.
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