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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Thu Feb 4th, 2010 09:52 pm |
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Cool Ironhead... Hopefully that spring fix's it... then just ride the hell out of er... It's a bad time to sell Harleys anyway.. Good time to buy em though.. There cheap as I've seen em in yrs right now... My Dresser I sold yesturday I gave $9600 for 3 yrs ago. Let it go for $8,000. yesturday. Sportsters are selling really cheap -- there are just too many on the market is why.
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ironhead
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Posted: Thu Feb 4th, 2010 09:45 pm |
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Found the problem. Theres a ratchet on the pinion gear that engages the clutch housing & it's slips. I got an inspection mirror in the oil fill hole & I could see it. I had to pull the clutch to get to it.
The clutches have some wear so I might as well replace them now. The kicker slips. Theres nothing wrong with the gears or ratchet as far as I can tell, the shaft bushing is tight so I'm guessing the spring is weak, I ordered one.
These things arent for someone that dosnt know how to use a wrench (or want to). I've learned a lot & a lot of that by mistakes. If I knew then what I know now I wouldnt of got it but I've redone almost everything & it aint worth selling. Its fun to ride anyway 
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 09:44 pm |
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Same question and answer, I feel for ya Ironhead. That would drive me nuts, until I got it fixed..
http://www.justanswer.com/questions/1wj3x-i-have-a-1978-iron-head-sportster-i-cant-get-started-i-had
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ironhead
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 09:08 pm |
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Vero Steve wrote: Just for shits and giggles, pull the plugs and see if she cranks over easy then.
I had a problem years ago with an ironhead starter and I ended up changing the shaft and the bendix to fix it....
It turns then. Well this time not as well.....the shaft (?) may be ready to go.
I suspect it may be the shaft stripped but grabbing on just enough so the starter dosnt spin free. If I could see the shaft I would know.
Last edited on Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 09:10 pm by ironhead |
ironhead
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 09:04 pm |
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weasle1 wrote: is the starter gear fully engaging the clutch ? have heard of that bein a problem with the older sporties. I can see it turn the primary chain. There's a plug you can take out to check the chain slack.
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 09:03 pm |
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Just for shits and giggles, pull the plugs and see if she cranks over easy then.
I had a problem years ago with an ironhead starter and I ended up changing the shaft and the bendix to fix it....
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weasle1
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 08:18 pm |
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| is the starter gear fully engaging the clutch ? have heard of that bein a problem with the older sporties.
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 07:42 pm |
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ironhead wrote: I put the new starter in & the same but it sounds stronger that the old one.
I'm listening to it & it sounds like the starter is turning. I think what may be happening is it's slipping on the bendix or gear on the shaft. It's not slipping totally, it'll try to turn the motor but it cant, I can see the chain trying to turn with the plug out.
I have to pull the clutch because theres not enough space to get it out. You need Steves input here on that .... Where is that mask man, LOL!
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ironhead
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 07:30 pm |
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Mikey wrote: Just jumping in with a dumb question, but your battery is up to par? Sounds like you don't have enuf amps to crank it Yup, & I also have a second charged truck battery with 6 guage cables going directly to the starter.
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Mikey
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 07:09 pm |
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| Just jumping in with a dumb question, but your battery is up to par? Sounds like you don't have enuf amps to crank it
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ironhead
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 06:32 pm |
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I put the new starter in & the same but it sounds stronger that the old one.
I'm listening to it & it sounds like the starter is turning. I think what may be happening is it's slipping on the bendix or gear on the shaft. It's not slipping totally, it'll try to turn the motor but it cant, I can see the chain trying to turn with the plug out.
I have to pull the clutch because theres not enough space to get it out.
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Wed Jan 27th, 2010 06:01 pm |
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ironhead wrote: Looling at the leads they look fine. I took it to an auto shop & there tester didnt put a load on it, basically put 12 volts to it & it runs. Then I took it to a rebuilder & he listened to it & said it sounded good to him. I then just to do it confirmed that ground is making a good path.
If its not the starter or electrical to it it may be restricted by something like the motor. With the plugs out the kicker turns it easy.
I just ordered a new one, thank for the link jeffy. I saved $170 from the catalog price. Ship was $2.50.......wow! At another time I would of spent the money a long time ago without thinking twice but hard times.
Thanks guys, I'll let you know if this works. Your welcome Bro' yeah Jireh is the place to get aftermarket parts.
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ironhead
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Posted: Wed Jan 27th, 2010 05:39 pm |
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Looling at the leads they look fine. I took it to an auto shop & there tester didnt put a load on it, basically put 12 volts to it & it runs. Then I took it to a rebuilder & he listened to it & said it sounded good to him. I then just to do it confirmed that ground is making a good path.
If its not the starter or electrical to it it may be restricted by something like the motor. With the plugs out the kicker turns it easy.
I just ordered a new one, thank for the link jeffy. I saved $170 from the catalog price. Ship was $2.50.......wow! At another time I would of spent the money a long time ago without thinking twice but hard times.
Thanks guys, I'll let you know if this works.
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Tue Jan 26th, 2010 12:05 pm |
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| Check out the brushes on the starter.....If it spins easy with no load, but barely spins under load, you could have a brush thats burn't or just gone all together........Not hard to replace and you can get them from any starter shop....
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Jan 25th, 2010 08:48 pm |
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ironhead wrote: To the auto parts store tomorrow, I'll let you know. Dennis Kirk wants $280 for a new one.
Ck out http://www.jirehcycles.com usually way cheaper.....
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ironhead
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Posted: Mon Jan 25th, 2010 06:54 pm |
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To the auto parts store tomorrow, I'll let you know. Dennis Kirk wants $280 for a new one.
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Jan 25th, 2010 06:20 pm |
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A shorted starter would almost act like a dead short. Would just about peg any ammeter...
Maybe I did loan 'em to ya. Hmmmm, have ya got my Snap On spark plug hole thread chasers too? LOL...
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ironhead
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Posted: Mon Jan 25th, 2010 06:03 pm |
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You probabally did loan them Dave, thats why you dont have them
How many amps would I be looking for?
If it is bad perhaps it would be because oil is saturated in the coil winding? I tried my best to clean it out but the magnets are laquered & wrapped in cloth. If oil could get in there it would seem to intefer with the magnetic field.
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Jan 25th, 2010 05:54 pm |
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Auto parts store should be able to test your starter to see how many amps its drawing...
I used to have a pair of inductive ammeters. (One for starting system went up to 800 amps and one for charging system went up to 200 amps) They just layed on top of the battery cable or other wire and would tell ya how many amps were required to spin the starter. Great for trouble-shooting. I think they were made by Snap-On or maybe Mac Tools...
Wish I knew where they were, I'd loan 'em to ya. I've moved 3 or 4 times since I seen 'em the last time...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Jan 25th, 2010 05:42 pm |
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| If you have an auto electric shop near ya Ironhead I'd take it there and have it tested. If you don't know of any, Stop at an auto parts store like NAPA or Auto Zone and tell them you need the starter tested. They should be able to direct ya to the right place...
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