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Dave
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Posted: Thu Feb 9th, 2006 11:08 am |
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Babe wrote:
hmmmmm so a funeral isnt private?
That depends...
Very tough issue to work with. I guess that most Churches and Cemetaries would be considered "Private Property". But, all that I know of are open to the public. I have no idea where the line is drawn (Legally) on that issue...
Sure makes that a tricky one to work with...
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weasle
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Posted: Wed Feb 8th, 2006 12:27 pm |
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| wonder if whoever is burning those bapitst churches down south , might wander up to kansas. hmmmm.
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empty
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Posted: Wed Feb 8th, 2006 12:13 pm |
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Babe wrote: However, the courts have allowed restrictions on picketing in front of doctors' houses, saying privacy trumps free speech.
hmmmmm so a funeral isnt private?
That's a good point, a personal privacy clause should have some sort of pull with the 'free speach' rules, sort of like the personal safety clause does. (ie: it is no longer 'free speach' when you yell FIRE in a crowded theater)
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Babe
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Posted: Wed Feb 8th, 2006 11:47 am |
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However, the courts have allowed restrictions on picketing in front of doctors' houses, saying privacy trumps free speech.
hmmmmm so a funeral isnt private?
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Abo
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Posted: Wed Feb 8th, 2006 10:47 am |
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Hey Man. I'm not even getting into the freedom of speech thing. But something has got to give at funerals.
"We're not proposing to silence the speech of the Westboro Baptist Church, as offensive as most of us find that," said Kansas Senate Majority Leader Derek Schmidt, a Republican. Instead, he said, he is trying to achieve a balance that respects "the rights of families to bury their dead in peace."
Seems like if these cowards want to protest, they need to do it with live people that can help their pitiful cause. Like in Washington or State capitals and such. IMO Abo
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Dave
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Posted: Wed Feb 8th, 2006 10:08 am |
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States Seek To Stymie Anti-Gay Protests At Funerals
POSTED: 11:05 am PST February 7, 2006
UPDATED: 11:13 am PST February 7, 2006
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- States are rushing to limit when and where people may protest at funerals - all because of a small fundamentalist Kansas church whose members picket soldiers' burials, arguing that Americans are dying for a country that harbors homosexuals.
During the 1990s, the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., went around picketing the funerals of AIDS victims with protest signs that read, "God Hates Fags." But politicians began paying more attention recently when church members started showing up at the burials of soldiers and Marines killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Legislation is being considered in at least 14 states, and several of the bills moving quickly, with backing from legislative leaders and governors.
If they pass, the bills could set up a clash between privacy and free speech rights, and court challenges are almost certain.
"We're not proposing to silence the speech of the Westboro Baptist Church, as offensive as most of us find that," said Kansas Senate Majority Leader Derek Schmidt, a Republican. Instead, he said, he is trying to achieve a balance that respects "the rights of families to bury their dead in peace."
The church has about 75 members, most of them belonging to the extended family of Westboro Baptist's pastor, the Rev. Fred Phelps. The church is an independent congregation that preaches a literal reading of the Bible.
Shirley Phelps-Roper, Phelps' daughter and an attorney for the church, said states cannot interfere with their message that the soldiers were struck down by God because they were fighting for a country that harbors homosexuals and adulterers.
Lawmakers are "trying to introduce something that will make them feel better about the holes we're punching in the facade they live under," Phelps-Roper said. "If they pass a law that gets in our way, they will be violating the Constitution, and we will sue them for that."
Among the states considering such measures: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia and Wisconsin.
Some of the bills specify noisy, disruptive behavior or signs with "fighting words," as in Wisconsin. Some bar protests within one or two hours before or after a funeral starts; others specify distances ranging from 10 car lengths to five blocks away; some include both.
Violations can bring fines of a few hundred dollars, up to 30 days in jail, or more. Wisconsin is calling for fines of up to $10,000; one of five Oklahoma bills would set a one-year jail sentence.
Missouri's bill was named for Army Spc. Edward Lee Myers, 21, whose wife went to his funeral an hour early to try to avoid protesters. They were already across the road, holding signs that read "God Hates Fags" and "God Made IEDs," a reference to roadside bombs.
Her 5-year-old son kept asking why "mean people" were outside, undercover agents were in the church, and she worried that angry relatives might start a fight.
"I couldn't even pay my last respects because of everything that was going on," Jean Myers said.
Legislation against funeral protests was also introduced in West Virginia last month after a small knot of protesters from Westboro Baptist demonstrated outside a memorial for the 12 men killed in the Sago Mine disaster. The protesters held signs reading, "Thank God for Dead Miners," "God Hates Your Tears" and "Miners in Hell," arguing that the miners' deaths were a sign of God's wrath at America for tolerating gays.
"It's just inhuman for a group that says it's coming in the name of the Lord to protest a funeral," said state Delegate Jeff Eldridge, a co-sponsor of the West Virginia bill.
If such restrictions are challenged, the courts will probably look to rulings on laws governing abortion protests, constitutional scholars said.
The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a Florida ban on peaceful picketing within 300 feet of an abortion clinic, but allowed restrictions on behavior that impedes access to a clinic. However, the courts have allowed restrictions on picketing in front of doctors' houses, saying privacy trumps free speech.
The question is whether a church, funeral home or cemetery is considered private or public during a ceremony, said Eugene Volokh, a law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles.
http://www.nbc4.tv/family/6813446/detail.html
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Sun Feb 5th, 2006 09:12 pm |
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| Sounds like even though you weren't there, you were well represented!
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Dave
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Posted: Sun Feb 5th, 2006 03:06 pm |
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Unfortunately, I couldn't attend...
"Honee-Doo" list grounded me all day yesterday. I'm proud of the local group of the PGR though...
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Babe
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Posted: Sun Feb 5th, 2006 03:02 pm |
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| Bravo Dave!! Bless you and all the others who went!!
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Dave
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Posted: Sun Feb 5th, 2006 01:25 pm |
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Just read the ride report on Lcpl Lopez.
Some protesters did show up. PGR did us all very proud. No violence. Turned their backs to the protester and raised flags to shield the family from these maggots. Once the casket was in the church, they faced the protesters and recited the pledge of allegence.
About 50 people there for the family's protection, 40+ bikes 2 trikes and a Jeep...
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Dave
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Posted: Tue Jan 31st, 2006 08:29 pm |
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Got another local... Damn..
Saturday, February 4 2006 11:00AM
The Church Services will be at 1100 in Brea Ca.
Marine Lance Cpl. Hugo R. Lopezlopez, 20, of La Habra, Calif., died Friday at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, nearly two months after he was injured in the explosion of a homemade bomb in Rawah, Iraq.
Lopezlopez was assigned to 2nd Battalion, 11th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, from Camp Pendleton, Calif.
His unit was attached to the 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, (Forward) in Iraq.
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Dave
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Posted: Thu Jan 26th, 2006 12:59 pm |
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Dave wrote:
Looks like we've possibly got another local...
Army Chief Warrant Officer 3 Rex C. Kenyon
34, of El Segundo, Calif.; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 4th Aviation Regiment (Attack), Combat Aviation Brigade, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Hood, Texas; killed Jan. 16 when his AH64D Apache helicoptor was shot down while he was conducting an aerial patrol in Baghdad.
Update on this one. All gonna happen in Texas. Here's a couple of posts from the PGR site...
flygunz Taji, Iraq - Thank y'all all for what you are doing back there. Rex Kenyon was a friend of 10 years and will be missed dearly. I am in Taji, Iraq now, so this is all the info I can get you. Below is the info I think y'all need.
The memorial will be at 1330, Friday the 27th at the Comanche chapel on West Fort Hood. The Funeral Service is at the Central Texas Veterans Cemetery on HWY 195 South, Killeen, TX.
BonRu - Flygunz, our hearts are with you and the family of CWO Kenyon. We will be there for the final salute to your brother. I am very sorry for your loss.
Thank you for your service.
PGR, it seems that this will be the mission on Friday, while CWO Garcia will be laid to rest in the Phillipine Islands. We still do not have a confirmed mission however, as the LEO is waiting until all information regarding these two soldiers is firmed up. Bear with me, but I suspect we should have confirmation tomorrow. I will promptly post the itinerary. Just remember that if/when this goes, it will be Friday, the memorial is 1300/1330, the funeral will follow at approximately 230/300pm. Staging will likely be aaround 1200/1pm.
Bonnie (BonRu) Cutler
Texas State Captain
Patriot Guard Riders
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Thu Jan 26th, 2006 12:32 pm |
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| Those damm suicide bombers strike again. Sorry to hear that!!
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Dave
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Posted: Thu Jan 26th, 2006 10:29 am |
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Looks like we got another local...
Rosemead Marine dies in Iraq
Mark Keppel High grad killed in roadside blast
By Jason Kosareff Staff Writer
ROSEMEAD - Robert Arellano said Wednesday his brother Carlos may have known he wouldn't return home from Iraq.
Carlos Arellano, a Marine corporal, had survived two previous tours of duty in Iraq, although he was wounded on the second.
But Carlos seemed different before he left his family's Rosemead home for his third tour, his brother said.
"I think Carlos knew he was going to die this time," said Robert Arellano, 27, a Marine of nine years.
Cpl. Carlos Arellano died Friday when a suicide bomber in a car set off a blast in Haqlaniyah, Iraq, according to the U.S. Department of Defense. Also killed in the blast was Lance Cpl. Brandon Dewey, 20, of San Joaquin.
They were both assigned to 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, out of Camp Pendleton. During the Iraq War, their unit was attached to 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward).
Funeral arrangements for Arellano are pending.
Carlos wasn't afraid to die, Robert Arellano said. But the young soldier was getting tired of the fighting. He worried about his mother and family back home, his brother said.
Carlos Arellano joined the Marines in 2003, a year after graduating from Mark Keppel High School in Alhambra. He was in combat during all three tours, his brother said.
During his second tour, Arellano won a merit promotion for taking out an insurgent aiming a rocket-propelled grenade launcher out of a hotel window.
On that tour, Arellano's team was caught in
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three days of intense fighting, cut off from food and water, Robert Arellano said. He was also wounded by shrapnel from an RPG.
Arellano would have been home from Iraq in March and was scheduled for discharge in June.
He was planning to go to college to study criminal justice.
Arellano joined the Marines to get the tactical training for a job as a SWAT officer for the Los Angeles Police Department, said another brother, Marco Arellano, 25.
The brothers, along with youngest sibling Gustavo, 18, reminisced around the kitchen table Wednesday.
They remembered Arellano as outgoing, extremely popular and athletic, fearless.
The brothers pored over photographs of Arellano, many sent from the front lines, featuring local people, Iraqi men, women and children.
"His favorite times were when children would come out to wave at him," Marco Arellano said.
Arellano, born in Mexico, grew up in Rosemead. He attended Emerson Elementary School and Garvey Intermediate School. He is survived by his brothers and his father, Robert Arellano Sr., and mother, Emelia Arellano.
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Dave
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Posted: Tue Jan 24th, 2006 01:14 pm |
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jeffy ole boy wrote:
MAN I'M CONFUSED AS HELL NOW! Hhahahahahaaaa... LMAO
ROTFLMAO!
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 09:53 pm |
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| MAN I'M CONFUSED AS HELL NOW! Hhahahahahaaaa... LMAO
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 07:48 pm |
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Randy in Pensacola wrote:
Dave wrote: Avatar photo is from "Revenge of the Nerds" and it's one of the Carradine brothers...
BULLSHIT
The avatar photo is Dave... I have seen him. Dont belive me, ask Zippo.......lmao
Ok Randy, I confess. They edited me out of all the pictures...
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Randy in Pensacola
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Posted: Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 07:40 pm |
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Dave wrote: Avatar photo is from "Revenge of the Nerds" and it's one of the Carradine brothers...
BULLSHIT
The avatar photo is Dave... I have seen him. Dont belive me, ask Zippo.......lmao
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Dave
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Posted: Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 06:35 pm |
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| Avatar photo is from "Revenge of the Nerds" and it's one of the Carradine brothers...
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jeffy ole boy
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Posted: Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 05:10 pm |
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Dave wrote: 009pgr.jpg - I'm the guy on the extreme right (your right) with the beard and no hat, leather jacket...
018pgr.jpg - Just about center of the page, same ugly mug, no jacket, brown shirt You aint ugly! So who's the guy in your avatar photo?
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