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weasle
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 05:00 pm |
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empty wrote: Dave wrote: Babe - Here in California (and I'm sure that this holds true in other places) you can get arrested for "Drunk Driving" on a bicycle...
Can't comment on the tractor. But, even without a license, it seems that you would still be held accountable to the same laws. Public intoxication? yep mt , thats the way they do it in ohio , if yer drunk on a bike , lawn tractor or stumblin down the street .
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empty
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 02:39 pm |
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Dave wrote: Babe - Here in California (and I'm sure that this holds true in other places) you can get arrested for "Drunk Driving" on a bicycle...
Can't comment on the tractor. But, even without a license, it seems that you would still be held accountable to the same laws. Public intoxication?
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Dave
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 02:26 pm |
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Babe - Here in California (and I'm sure that this holds true in other places) you can get arrested for "Drunk Driving" on a bicycle...
Can't comment on the tractor. But, even without a license, it seems that you would still be held accountable to the same laws.
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Babe
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 01:38 pm |
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| Dunno if youze guyz read Mike's tractor post? We do have a guy here, who lost his license......he now has an old tractor, with a bicycle strapped to the side, and he drives it everywhere! .....and if he runs outta gas, he has the bike! Nothing ther cops can do about it.....ya dont need a license to drive a tractor, or ride a bike. Gotta give the guy some credit....LOL
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Dave
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 01:10 pm |
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marc wrote:
Vero Steve wrote: LMAO .......The great hippie conspiracy theory is alive and well. Can't trust the man he's out to kill off all the real gray beard bikers and the hippies. That 26 yr old cop just mowed down that guy cause he could right?
ROTFLMAO....Are we still in the 60's?????????
You'd think so... LOL
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marc
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 01:07 pm |
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Vero Steve wrote: LMAO .......The great hippie conspiracy theory is alive and well. Can't trust the man he's out to kill off all the real gray beard bikers and the hippies. That 26 yr old cop just mowed down that guy cause he could right?
ROTFLMAO....Are we still in the 60's?????????
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marc
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 01:04 pm |
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Vero Steve wrote: The drunk driving laws here in Florida have gotten so strict I won't drink if I have to ride or drive anywhere. I rather just sit on my back porch with my rollie's and watch the sun go down........................................
Same back here but I think that is good...We also have sobriety check-points which I am in favor of...If I have done nothing wrong what the hell is the big problem???I answer their questions and thank them for doing their job and move on...By the way... Never refuse a breath test in N.J.....Automatic three month suspension....A County Judge found that out last year....LOL....Justice for all.....
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Dave
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 12:54 pm |
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Vero Steve wrote:
LMAO .......The great hippie conspiracy theory is alive and well. Can't trust the man he's out to kill off all the real gray beard bikers and the hippies. That 26 yr old cop just mowed down that guy cause he could right?
The video tape is locked in a box in the trunk. The deputy has no access to it. And if you think the State Trooper would cover up something for a County cop you got another thing coming. Those State guys love to hang local cops.
Plus theres no way that guy could have been drunk, beer was only on sale every 50ft or less the entire weekend.
JMHO Steve - "The great hippie conspiracy theory is alive and well"...
Just a theory by a bunch of paranoid people. Reason it's still a theory is these "Conspiracy Theorists" have never been able to prove it or find any basis for fact in it.
And they've never been able to prove it because all cops are bad and covering for each other...(One's bad, they're all bad)
You're wasting your time. No matter what, All they (these "conspiracy theorists") are ever do is piss and moan.
Why bother?
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Mikey
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 12:52 pm |
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| The drunks out here have figured out..that you can drive a tractor all over..and not get bothered...even after ya lost yer licenese...
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marc
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 12:48 pm |
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Babe wrote: Actually sometimes those lil cameras work against the cops! I know a guy who got picked up for driving under the influence.....they gave him all the field sobriety tests, and he passed them all.....and now they are using that tape to get him a lesser sentence. So it works both ways.
I duuno how it works in other states.....but here if you get pulled over for speeding....you can ask to see the radar. If they dont have ya on radar, you normally dont get a ticket. I learn all these things from our truck drivers.....LOL
Truck Drivers are pretty smart fellas! LOL
Don't need radar back here...They can follow you a certain distance and then pull you over and ticket you.....
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Dave
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 12:45 pm |
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What you're sayin' makes sense. But, when it comes to the "Sobriety Check-Points", they really don't give ya much of a chance to do anything. You're being pulled over/in without probable cause anyway. Guess that the less you say, the better...
The laws here in California are a bitch too. Just ain't worth drinkin' and drivin'...
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 12:39 pm |
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Dave wrote: RE: Field Sobriety Tests -
From what I've been reading, these are voluntary. If you don't smell like booze and don't admit to drinking any, they have no "Probable Cause".
But, before I screwed myself up with refusing, I'd talk to a lawyer on it to make sure. Next time I'm in mine's office, I'm gonna ask...
Dave if you don't smell like booze and you don't admit to drinking or seem impaired the cop has no cause to ask for a sobriety test. You can refuse a field test but I would then prepare for a breath test or a blood test if the has been an accident or property damage. If it's just a trafffic stop he can't even ask unless he has cause to believe you have been drinking....................................
The drunk driving laws here in Florida have gotten so strict I won't drink if I have to ride or drive anywhere. I rather just sit on my back porch with my rollie's and watch the sun go down........................................
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 12:29 pm |
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Babe wrote: Actually sometimes those lil cameras work against the cops! I know a guy who got picked up for driving under the influence.....they gave him all the field sobriety tests, and he passed them all.....and now they are using that tape to get him a lesser sentence. So it works both ways.
I duuno how it works in other states.....but here if you get pulled over for speeding....you can ask to see the radar. If they dont have ya on radar, you normally dont get a ticket. I learn all these things from our truck drivers.....LOL
Truck Drivers are pretty smart fellas! LOL
Babe most of the old cops hate the video because you have to go by the book and theres no way to erase it and your right I have seen the video vindicate alot of people before they ever went to court. The states attorney reviews the video and drops the charges.
Plus the same goes for the radar. The cop better have his ducks in a row and his training up to date if he expects a radar ticket to hold up in court............
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Dave
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 12:24 pm |
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RE: Field Sobriety Tests -
From what I've been reading, these are voluntary. If you don't smell like booze and don't admit to drinking any, they have no "Probable Cause".
But, before I screwed myself up with refusing, I'd talk to a lawyer on it to make sure. Next time I'm in mine's office, I'm gonna ask...
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 12:24 pm |
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LMAO .......The great hippie conspiracy theory is alive and well. Can't trust the man he's out to kill off all the real gray beard bikers and the hippies. That 26 yr old cop just mowed down that guy cause he could right?
The video tape is locked in a box in the trunk. The deputy has no access to it. And if you think the State Trooper would cover up something for a County cop you got another thing coming. Those State guys love to hang local cops.
Plus theres no way that guy could have been drunk, beer was only on sale every 50ft or less the entire weekend.
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Babe
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 12:17 pm |
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Actually sometimes those lil cameras work against the cops! I know a guy who got picked up for driving under the influence.....they gave him all the field sobriety tests, and he passed them all.....and now they are using that tape to get him a lesser sentence. So it works both ways.
I duuno how it works in other states.....but here if you get pulled over for speeding....you can ask to see the radar. If they dont have ya on radar, you normally dont get a ticket. I learn all these things from our truck drivers.....LOL
Truck Drivers are pretty smart fellas! LOL
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Abo
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Posted: Wed May 3rd, 2006 11:22 am |
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Vero Steve wrote:
Abo wrote: marc wrote:
Abo wrote: A sherrif got one, How??? Just curious....
Hey man. Its what ever the COP says. Dead bikers cant tell ya shit. Yeah I alway turn left in front of a Cop with his Lights and siren going. Should of tested the cops blood.IMHO.
Ride Free. Abo Don't have to worry about what ever the cops says. The Sheriffs car was equipped with a video camera that's automatically activated when the lights and siren is turned on. FHP has the tape for review............. Damn ain't technology great........................
HEY MAN. GOT TO LOVE THE NEW TECHNOLOGY. KINDA LIKE THE BLACK BOXES IN PLANES. "WHAT EVER THEY SAY". lIKE THEY CANT EDIT AND MAKE THEM DO WHATEVER OUR GULLIBLE ASSES WILL BELIEVE. WHAT A JOKE. PLANES ARE TOTALLY DECINTERGRATED , BUT ALAS THEY FOUND THE BLACK BOX. SURPIISE SURPRISE. YEAH RIGHT. BETS ARE THE COP WAS RIGHT AND THE BIKER WAS DRUNK. COPS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT. WORKS GREAT IF YOUR A COP. imho. ABO
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Tue May 2nd, 2006 01:13 pm |
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Abo wrote: marc wrote:
Abo wrote: A sherrif got one, How??? Just curious....
Hey man. Its what ever the COP says. Dead bikers cant tell ya shit. Yeah I alway turn left in front of a Cop with his Lights and siren going. Should of tested the cops blood.IMHO.
Ride Free. Abo Don't have to worry about what ever the cops says. The Sheriffs car was equipped with a video camera that's automatically activated when the lights and siren is turned on. FHP has the tape for review............. Damn ain't technology great........................
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Tue May 2nd, 2006 12:48 pm |
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From the Florida Highway Highway Patrol Web Site
MOTORCYCLE RELATED CRASHES, FATALITIES, AND INJURIES
73.6% of motorcycle fatalities and 29.1% of motorcycle crashes were alcohol-related.
Alcohol-related fatalities
1,093
Alcohol-related injuries
17,580
Alcohol-related crashes
23,013
Alcohol-related fatal crashes
998
Alcohol-related injury crashes
11,002
ANALYSIS OF ALCOHOL-RELATED MOTORCYCLE CRASHES IN FLORIDA AND RECOMMENDED COUNTERMEASURES
Although much progress has been made in reducing alcohol-related crash fatalities involving motor vehicles, the same success has not been demonstrated with motorcycles. Because the problem associated with drinking and riding is significant in Florida, the Center for Urban Transportation Research (CUTR) conducted a comprehensive analysis of motorcycle-alcohol crashes from 1995 to 2005 to understand how and why these crashes occur. CUTR also surveyed states about alcohol programs that target motorcyclists to gather information on potential countermeasures to reduce motorcycle-alcohol injuries and deaths in Florida. The study examined human-related and physical aspects of alcohol-related motorcycle crashes over the 10-year period to help establish an identity for this crash type. Examined human-related crash aspects included age and gender, alcohol use, licensing status, and helmet usage. Physical crash aspects examined included temporal patterns--time of day, day of week, and monthly trends--and contributing factors--first harmful event, road, environmental, and human factors--that cause bodily injuries or property damage. Major study recommendations include increasing efforts to get more motorcyclists properly licensed, greater exposure of messages to motorcyclists about the dangers of drinking and riding, and focused statewide public education and information campaigns. The study concludes with five major categories of countermeasures and recommendations to address the motorcycle-alcohol problem, including public information and education campaigns, promotional activities, enforcement efforts, community-based interventions, and data-collection needs
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Vero Steve
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Posted: Tue May 2nd, 2006 12:23 pm |
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4 biker deaths cast shadow over BikeFest success
Police reported little trouble with the crowds packing downtown and filling area roads.Sarah Lundy
Sentinel Staff Writer
May 2, 2006
LEESBURG -- Last weekend's BikeFest brought in about 100,000 more people than organizers expected, making it the biggest and busiest ever.
It also marked the deadliest with four motorcycle deaths during the three-day event that drew bikers from throughout Florida.
The latest death occurred about 10:30 a.m. Sunday when a 75-year-old Leesburg man died at the intersection of U.S. Highway 441 and Tomato Hill Road.
The man, whose name has not been released, was riding a Honda motorcycle east on U.S. 441. His 77-year-old wife was a passenger.
A truck turned in front of them, causing the man to lose control of the bike. The couple was thrown from the motorcycle.
The man's wife, whose name also was not released, was taken to Orlando Regional Medical Center with serious injuries. Her condition was unavailable Monday.
On Saturday, a Dixie County man died when he pulled in front of a Lake County deputy sheriff responding to a call for assistance from a fellow deputy.
Dennis Ray Nash, 57, of Old Town died on U.S. 441 near Martin Luther King Boulevard in Leesburg.
Deputy Steve Keller had his patrol car's lights and sirens on as he headed north on U.S. 441 just after 12:30 a.m. Another deputy who had responded to a loud party asked for help with a crowd that was getting out of control, Sheriff's Sgt. Christie Mysinger said.
Keller is on administrative leave with pay until the Florida Highway Patrol completes its investigation.
Two other motorcyclists died in Palm Harbor on Saturday. They were on their way home after attending BikeFest, according to reports.
Leesburg police also responded to more crashes this weekend than in past years. At least 15 of the 23 crashes officers worked during the three days were related to BikeFest, Police Capt. Steve Rockefeller said.
That's a jump from last year, when only four minor wrecks were reported.
The police department plans to look at the weekend's event and see how it can make next year's BikeFest safer, Rockefeller said.
Officials already know they will ask more officers from other agencies to help. This year, Fruitland Park police and the Sheriff's Office assisted with the event.
"We were expecting big crowds," Rockefeller said.
Despite the larger crowds, the event went well, police and organizers said.
Police reported few disturbances. On Friday, two people were arrested on drug charges. No one was arrested Saturday. Police nabbed two people on the event's final day for scheming to defraud, Rockefeller said.
BikeFest organizers said people were patient with the long lines.
"This year we were at a dead run Friday and Saturday trying to keep up with the number of people who were there," said Joe Shipes, executive vice president of the Leesburg Partnership, which sponsored the event. Shipes said BikeFest drew an estimated 250,000 people to a town that has 17,500 residents.
He said Leesburg attracts many motorcycle enthusiasts who like the smaller festival feel -- a quality larger bike events such as Daytona Beach Bike Week lack. This year, the 10-day bike rally in Daytona Beach attracted more than 500,000 people. Like Leesburg, its death toll reached it highest yet with 20 fatalities.
Shipes said some deaths may be inevitable when so many people converge on an event. Asked how to prevent them in the future, he said, "What the answer is, I'm not sure." But alcohol sales need to be limited. Too many people are riding drunk"
"The last thing we want to do is put on an event where people get hurt," he said.
Organizers says they will focus on next year's festival.
"We'll sit down and we'll look at what we can do differently," Shipes said. "The only thing I can control is the safety within the event area."
Sarah Lundy can be reached at 352-742-5917 or slundy@orlandosentinel.com.
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